martinet. i am bill o'reilly. we hope to see you next time and remember, the spin stops right here in houston, because we are looking out for you. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> thank you. thank you. thank you, guys. >> i believe in public option. >> i am confident we will get health reform passed. >> you're going to increase costs. >> positions are up in arms. >> higher premiums. >> the devil is in the details. >> higher taxes. >> that is done. >> i know this bill will pass. >> i am just getting started. sean: welcome to a special

edition of "hannity." we bring you universal nightmare 2.0. we received an overwhelming response to our first health care special and we wanted to address some of the questions that remain on the minds of many americans. after it initially aired, americans had the message, keep washington out of the health- care business. despite that outpouring from constituents, president obama and the democrats are stubbornly pressing forward with their reform plan. as they do so, they raise this year campaign against anyone standing in their way. take a look at how the party is now working to silence. they have been called everything from astroturf to evil monsters. -- evil mongers. >> i think their roster turf -- they are astroturf.

you be the judge. sean: conservatives are not happy with the direction the health care system is headed. >> they called into question the character of a lot of good americans. when americans are faced with that challenge, they're doing what they always do. they're defending their right. sean: while waging a vicious war, democrats are quiet when it comes to the similar grass-roots efforts. >> it is hypocrisy. >> making her voice is known is being shut off as a legitimate, some how harmful to american democracy. wait a second. the left has been doing this over the iraq war and other issues for years and years. sean: in the september, humana sent a one-page letter to customers enrolled in medicare advantage plans. they noted that because of the spending cuts rigid spending cuts, millions of seniors and

disabled individuals could lose many of the important benefits and services that make medicare advantage health plan so valuable. according to "the wall street journal," max baucus took it as a declaration of war. the complaint to a federal health-care agency that the company was out of line. the agency ordered humana to cease and desist from leading its "misleading and confusing mailings." the company is being probed for illegal misconduct. >> this gag order came at the request of the senator and is wrong. >> does it apply to all companies? the insurer ehealthinsurance.com sent e-mails to customers. explain how customers will be affected by the coming changes to the system. where was max baucus this time? these e-mails were not critical of the proposed health care

legislation, so we never heard anything about them. >> when someone does not have objections to really incendiary and obnoxious language on their own son, their criticism of the other side is not terribly compelling are plausible. sean: liberals and for the argument that insurance companies are in the pocket of the gop. when you look at the facts, quite the opposite seems to be true. >> a lot of the special-interest groups signed on with the obama administration fairly early on. >> the real industry big boys are pouring millions of box into obamacare. sean: according to a study, of top hmo contributors in the election, democrats received 20% more in the monetary contribution than republicans. >> republicans and their allies are organizing angry mobs just like they did in the election. >> the finance bill is a dream come true for the insurance

industry. >> as like this paid for by liberal organizations have been making their rounds on the web than tb for months. over $49 million has been spent this year on advertising to support the health care legislation while only 33 million went to oppose it. their efforts to pay conservatives -- paint conservatives as crazed mobs organized by special-interest groups almost seems humorous when you examine who is painting the of the picture, groups like health care for america now, which, according to "the washington post," it to run by a "who's who of liberal organizations," including the afl-cio and other players on the left like moveon.org. organizing for america is run by the dnc. it's website is barackobama.com.

one organization recently spearheaded a six-week nationwide bus tour. >> we have a giant bus. we pull up in town squares all over the country into rallies. the crowds that turned out are amazing. sean: taking out shortly thereafter was another tour sponsored by the dnc's organizing for america. it read, "health insurance reform now, let's get it done." >> they assumed it was technological. -- technological -- tactical. it was the message that was driving at. sean: 1200 reform supporters were attracted. a meeting across town attracted "hundreds more." >> people instinctively recognize that there is this

contradiction. sean: could be because the left is upset they're having to spend more money to replicate the right's exact efforts but are not getting the same result? according to a recent rasmussen poll, 42% of americans currently favored the proposal as opposed to the 54% to oppose it. >> if you cannot take being told that you stink, the bill's things, you do not belong in congress. sean: their message to america is clear. it is ok to rally for a cause. it is ok to spend millions of dollars to push the cause as long as that cause matches up with ours. >> we can disagree without being disagreeable, without being questioning each other's motives. when we start caricaturing the of the side, that is a problem. sean: don't caricature the other side or question their motives. labeling them as racist evil mongers does not count.

coming up come ainsley earhardt investigate what doctors really think about reform. the answers might surprise you. why one blue dog democrat says he is opposing the health care bill. that and more is coming up.

>> on the president says he has the full support of physicians, but ainsley earhardt investigates how many doctors are saying, wait a minute, not so fast.

>> president obama and his counterparts on capitol hill are working to pass a health care reform bill. >> some of the people who were most supportive of reform are the very medical professionals who know the health care system best, the doctors and nurses of america. >> the president has said that he has the support of doctors, especially the endorsement of his plan by the american medical association. not all doctors are less support of his plan. we are in washington, where congress is trying to devise a national health-care system. doctors around the country are saying they are out of line, that health care choices should be made between you and your doctor alone. many physicians around the country are here in d.c. organizing the million man march and they're hoping to get attention from lawmakers. ithere were only a few hundred positions at the event, but the organizers said it was meant to

be a symbolic gathering. many doctors express how they felt. >> positions are up in arms. -- physicians are up in arms. >> you're going to increase costs. >> the plan on the table right now will not only harm health care, it will destroy the quality we have in this nation. >> i was outraged. >> one thing that all the doctors were against, the support of the reform by the ama. >> they signed onto this bill within a day and a half or two days. the obama administration announced the doctors "are on our side." the ama might have officially been on their side, but for the administration to say the doctors are on their side is not correct because the majority of doctors are not members. >> there is an interactive on- line forum for doctors. with more than 115,000 members,

it is suggested the motivation of the aa 's -- ama's endorsement might not have been about representing the voice of the doctors. >> these billing codes our current procedure terminology. for someone not familiar with the health care ecosystem, think of these codes as ticker symbols to wall street. if you want to interact with the health care system, as a doctor, hospital, insurance company, you have to use these codes. >> when the government introduced these coats, they entrusted them to the ama because almost 100% of american physicians were members and most of their revenue, $20 million, came from membership dues. when the ama received sole proprietorship of the coats, their revenue grew to more than $300 million. their membership was drastically declining. >> the government created a

government monopoly without realizing it. the remic -- the ramifications of that have been tremendous. the ama is able to charge anyone who interacts with the health care system for the use of those codes. it has been intriguing why the ama endorsed this bill after less than 40 hours, why the ama was willing to support a bill that physicians are so against. it is troubling that under this bill, the ama's revenue will explode. >> even a former president of the ama disagrees with the decision to back the bill. >> i believe this is a tremendous hurt to the ama. they need to get the policy of the ama that protect patients and allows doctors to stay in practice. when that policy is in a bill, then endorse the bill. >> we did try contacting the

ama, but they did not respond to our e-mails. on october 5, the president invited 50 doctors to the white house rose garden, one from every state. >> i am thrilled to have all of you here today. you look spiffy in your coats. >> soon after that meeting, this photo circulated of a staffer handing out white coats to the doctors. dr. eric novak decline that invitation. >> that was an embarrassment for the profession, as someone who has been extremely involved locally and nationally. i was pretty stunned they did not have an answer or did not know already that perhaps i was not exactly the right guy to be standing behind the president in support. i was stunned the white house did not do the slightest bit of vetting. the staffers did not even use

google. >> some doctors are not waiting around for a bill to change the way they practice medicine. one doctor says he has come up with a solution to treat the uninsured in america. because of the 7 $9 plan. a patient pays a $79 per month and can come in here for unlimited check ups. the doctor says his plan is a direct contract between the patient and doctor and cuts out the bureaucracy of big insurance and pharmaceutical companies. >> [unintelligible] from minor surgery is to medical exams, to preventive care, to x- rays, everything is included in $79. >> we really care about the health care of the patients in this country. they don't. >

sean: next, one woman describes her personal story of survival. she believes she owes her life to the current american health- care system. xxxxxxxx÷

sean: , years ago, this woman had the struggles of any other mother. she got the news she might have breast cancer. >> it was very hard. my oldest just turned 8. sean: she went from wife and mother to "patient." alan: went to the hospital on a thursday. the biopsy came back and it was an aggressive breast cancer. i needed to take care of it right away.

i spoke to a wonderful woman and said, i have cancer. i don't know what to do. she set me up with an oncology surgeon. i had a biopsy on thursday. i have the results on friday. on tuesday, i was meeting with the doctor. >> we made it a policy that we want to sometimes for the woman. whenever someone comes in with breast cancer, the diagnosis is overwhelming. >> i was somewhat prepared, but you know, you just think about your children. i had a job to do, which was to take care of them and get better. i was, like, thinking of it as a career. sean: her condition was serious. >> it was multi centered breast cancer. it was invasive and in several areas. >> when we looked at the

pictures of the mri, there was more than one spot of cancer. sean: the doctor immediately operated and she began a battle that would last year's. -- years. >> my doctors were wonderful with the children. they came with me to appointments. my friends and neighbors were wonderful. without support, i was fortunate to be able to make it through the surgery, make it through the long treatment i had. i had it for about a year and a half. sean: a new drug had become available around this time. >> what we know about the drug is for women with this type of breast cancer, it reduces the risk of recurrence by about half. that has changed how we treat this type of breast cancer. >> while it was a curse to get the breast cancer, there was the silver lining that they had this wonder drug that would make a real difference in terms of preventing the recurrence.

sean: at the same time, a public battle over the use of the drug was breaking out in the u.k. >> i was excited to get it. while i was undergoing treatment, i was receiving all kinds of e-mails about women that were living in the u.k. who had the same kind of breast cancer i have but were not able to access the drug because of the cost and the insurance was not taking care of it or allowing them to treat that treatment -- to receive that treatment. >> it reduces the chance of cancer coming back significantly, by over 50%, and it is a pretty amazing thing. it is an expensive drug. sean: the united kingdom is home to the nhs. british women were fighting to get the government to pay for the drug. anne-marie rogers became the public face of that fight. she sued the nhs after being

diagnosed at -- diagnosed with the same kind of breast cancer and being denied the treatment. she raised over $8,000 to purchase the drug herself. the case dragged on and breast cancer patients who needed the drug would show up at court in solidarity. eventually, she prevailed, but she passed away last year. thousands of women now benefit from the battle that she waged. critics still say the government-run system is flawed. >> she cannot choose your doctor, a specialist, you cannot choose where you go to. it tells me what drugs i can use and cannot use. sean: five years later, she is doing well. >> there is no evidence there is any cancer anyplace. she is doing very well and she has a very good long-term prognosis. unfortunately, i never get to tell whether or not she is cured. sean: she worries about what

could be coming down the line of the entire u.s. health care system is overhauled with the government-run system. >> what is amazing is that i was able to get some of the best doctors in the world with one phone call. no wait. i could call the cancer institute on a friday afternoon and be there on a tuesday. two weeks later, i was in surgery with a good physician. it is amazing to me. it gave me a lot of hope. >> one of the major benefits is to come to the cancer center like this. we have what a lot of places do not have. most of the answers in cancer therapy come from the united states. >> when we hear stories about people in other countries that have different health care systems that are not able to get the treatment they need or have to wait for a long time to get treatment, or are not able to get drugs that are necessary for

their health, or their recovery, that is concerning. i would be very concerned that something like that could happen with the health care system changing in the united states. i am concerned about government stepping in and telling me and telling my family what we can do for treatment, who we can see for treatment, what access we have. i would like to see them fix the things they are not working before they change the system. i don't believe there's another country that offers a better health care system than what we have. sean: coming up, was wilson right? we will examine if an overhaul will allow illegal immigrants to flood our health care system. in one state, the government auction has already come and gone. -- government he option has already come and gone.

sean: welcome back to this special edition of "hannity."

when joe wilson interrupted the presidents joint session of congress with his outburst, he was addressing the president's statement that illegal immigrants would not be covered by his plan. who was right? we did investigating. >> the reforms i am proposing would not apply to those who are illegals. >> you lie. sean: it was the outburst heard around the world. congressman joe wilson calling a the president during a speech to congress for denying that his health care plan would cover illegal immigrants. when wilson apologized for comment, the spotlight moved from the man asking the question to the question itself. does the new health care plan apply to those who are in the u.s. illegally? >> what this legislation does is open the door to allowing illegal aliens to receive taxpayer-funded health care.

sean: chuck grassley is the ranking republican on the senate finance committee, the same committee that recently voted in favor of the max baucus bill. >> both sides say they do not want to illegal immigrants to get health care, but the issue comes from lack of enforcement. sean: technically, the senate and house versions both contain language barring illegal immigrants from receiving federal subsidies to purchase health care coverage. grassley argues this language means nothing without additional laws to enforce it. >> it does not go far enough to guarantee that some illegal aliens will not end up getting the subsidy to buy health insurance, which is taxpayer support for health care. >> you have to have verification in order to make sure that illegal aliens are screened out. sean: senator grassley insists the only way to make certain illegal immigrants are not getting benefits under this

program is to verify citizenship by photo identification. >> you can check with social security. that number might go with the name that is presented, but you need a photo id to know that the person that has that number is the person who says that they are. sean: senator grassley proposed an amendment that would have required photo id verification, but the motion was defeated by democrats on a party-line vote in committee. >> housley can you be for something like getting into a federal program or you're using federal dollars? why do you have any question about using a photo id? sean: why would democrats vote against the measure? >> they know it is sensitive. they do not want to upset the advocacy groups for illegal aliens by nailing down that absolutely nobody can get help through this bill if they are here illegally.

sean: some democrats argue that not only should an illegal immigrant be able to pay for coverage out of his or her own pocket, but doing so, they would be allowed to participate in a government-funded marketplace exchange. >> people who have no respect for american law come here illegally. they should not be in the first place. how you justify, if they pay for it themselves, they should be able to have it? that is like saying it is ok to come to our country illegally and you can benefit from the same programs that the people who came here legally. sean: what is to stop illegal immigrants from breaking the law to slip through loopholes the democrats have left wide open to get health care coverage they want paid for by your hard- earned tax dollars? >> nothing. that is the main point. if you don't confirm someone is eligible for the program based on the immigration or citizenship status, you are saying yes, and roll.

sean: this nightmare appears to be inches closer and closer to becoming a reality. the baucus bill just made it past the senate finance committee. what is next? >> i think it will be made worse by being merged with the bill out of the senate health committee, and i think it will have a public option in it. that is going to lead us to the federal government running our health care system from here to eternity. sean: blue dog democrats have been a thorn in the side of leftwingers who have tried to jam reform through congress. what is it that they oppose in this health care bill? most democrats in congress do not want to talk to me. one congressman was kind enough to let me ask in a few questions. here you are, an anomaly. you're a democrat and you have been outspoken about the differing bills that have been going through the house of representatives, where you are, and also in the senate. tell us, why are you opposing

what is being proposed? >> i voted against the bill that came through the committee on which i serve primarily because of the impact it had on small businesses. i thought it was punitive if you are a small business owner. it does not offer health care to employees. it is not because you are bad person. it is because you cannot afford it. to have a payroll tax on top of it does not make sense. we should use a carrot and not a stick. we should not penalize people. cost containment is important. this has to be about bringing down the cost of health care for families, businesses, and every level of government. we are on a growth path that is not sustainable. the bill i had to vote on did nothing about that. the tax increase, i thought, was misguided as part of the health care debate. the bill had an income tax increase primarily for the wealthy. i don't think this is the place to have that discussion. this is a health care reform bill. sean: what do you make of the

fact that nancy pelosi said it must have the government option? the baucus bill does not have the government option. how do democrats reconcile this? they have taken strong positions on both sides. >> i think the house bill will probably have the public option. the votes are likely there. the senate is likely not to have the public option. we will go into conference and see what happens. for me, the public option has to be airtight. it cannot have a public subsidy, a taxpayer subsidy, cannot have anybody forced into it. it has to be voluntary and would have to meet the same regulatory requirements that the private insurers have to meet. these are the things that i think there is a public option in the house bill or the final bill, that it would have to meet. sean: has there been pressure brought to bear on you by the leadership in the house because of your position? >> i think they would like to have your vote, like everybody, but i feel my voice has been

heard. i voted against the bill in committee. i have had discussions about why. i described it in the same way i described it to you. i think the bill is better now than it was over the summer when i had to vote for it. i don't know it has to be -- i don't know it is in the place where it needs to be for me to vote for it. sean: another congressman from oregon has a discharge petition that he is circulating. i don't think your name is on it yet. that would guarantee the american people 72 hours to read this bill before there is a vote that take place in the house. will you support this the start petition? >> we have been guaranteed or promised by leadership that there will be a 72-hour window between the time the last t is crossed and the time the bill is brought to the floor. one of the reasons why i voted against the cap and trade bill was specifically because of this issue. you had an amendment put in in the middle of the night and we had to vote on it a few hours

later. that is not the way business should be done. i think there will be a waiting period. sean: if anthony wiener nancy pelosi are going to insist on the government option and the blue dog democrats say they cannot support it with that, the fighting is within the democratic ranks mean that republicans have been pushed to the side. do you think you will find a way to reconcile that? i think the blue dog democrats come if they vote for this, they're walking the plank. if that is what this comes down to, what do you predict happens? >> every member is accountable to the round district. when i go home and talk about health care reform, i your difference of opinion on a lot of things in this bill. everyone is accountable to their own constituents. we will see what the blue dogs do. as a group -- blue dogs do as a group. in the end, they have to explain to constituents why they voted

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sean: president barack obama says the government option is an essential part to health care reform and democrats continue to indicate that it is still on the table. if their wishes come true, what would that option look like? griffin jenkins traveled to maine, where residents know about the impact of a government takeover. >> democrats have sent a clear message to the president and the american people. they want a public option. >> the need for a public option is very clear. our bill will have a public option. >> a short trip to the land of

lighthouses offers a daunting look at how the public option my ferret the national level. their motto is latin. they signed into law the state first attempt at a so-called public option, government- assisted health care plan. >> six years ago, mean instituted -- maine instituted the government auction after advocates made the same promises about what it would do to bring down costs and increase access. >> it had three major components. when compared to obama's plan, the similarities are startling. it sought to cover all of the uninsured. >> my plan will provide more security and stability for those who have health insurance, offer quality choices to those who currently don't. >> it was to be paid for by

government-created saving. >> we have estimated most of this plan can be paid for by savings from within the existing system. >> it promised, no new taxes. >> you will not see your taxes increase a single dime. >> how does the system work? the population is 1.3 million in maine. the director of the governor's office of health policy and finance -- >> it was comprehensive reform. it was supposed to boost quality and access to health care. it is built on the medicaid program in the state to make sure the lowest income people have coverage. it created a subsidized health insurance product on top of that for those people who earn $1 too much and fall off the cliff. >> it was a noble goal. >> it was exciting. it was a step in the right direction. it was a step toward universal health care. the entire idea was that health

care was based on your ability to pay. >> for the most part, the folks look favorably upon it. >> people were into it. it sounded beautiful. we will ensure 140,000 people who have never had insurance or have that insurance. we will do it in a cost- effective fashion. what is not to like? >> six years later, the experiment has turned out to be a colossal and extremely costly failure. >> what went wrong? one woman says the program failed in practice. >> what happened is we set of this plan where we were heavily subsidized and people flocked to it. because people got something for little cost, utilization went through the roof. premiums skyrocketed, up 74%. >> joe bruno was the state house republican leader at the time of the inception of the program.

he now sits on the board. >> it does not work. it has not even come close to fulfilling its promise of covering the uninsured. we cannot provide this plan to everyone because we are not getting enough revenue in the plan. there's not enough cost savings in health care in the state as defined by the plan to fund more people. >> dirigo said, we will cover you at any time, no matter what, with no pre-existing condition exclusion. that is what drove up costs. people cycle on when they're sick and cycle off when they are healthy. the program is structured in a way that it encourages them. >> dirigo, i would say, was a valuable experiment. >> is it a true public option like the one president obama is pushing for? >> it does not get the benefits. it does not set the rates.

it does not set the premiums that are negotiated with the carrier. it is a public-private partnership. >> this is not a public plan. >> it is disingenuous. her own health agency administrator described it as a model of the public plan under obamacare. >> its highest level of employment, only 15,000 people were covered. today, it is less than 10,000. that is a far cry from the goal , 128,000. >> it has not covered most of the uninsured. it has led to higher taxes on thousands of residents. >> it was supposed to be paid for by government, creating savings in the health care system, similar to the rhetoric we hear from washington. the plan is bankrupt. this year, the legislature passed a new 2.4% tax on private

health plans to pay for it. >> senator collins has discussed the problems they have had in maine as a result of its attempt to create a government-run health plan. >> and do you oppose the public option because of what happened in your own state? >> i opposed to the public option for philosophical reasons. i don't think the government should be competing with the private sector. i also am aware of what happened in maine with the public plan. it does not live up to the promises, a lot of the same promises being made now. >> olympia snowe was the lone republican on the senate finance committee to cross party lines and vote for the democratic health care bill, but she says she is skeptical of including a public option. >> i have heard my republicans concerns about a vast government bureaucracy and government

intrusion. that is why i opposed the amendment, the so-called public option. >> she says the experience in maine has played a part in those concerns. >> the public approach experience -- it has been an expensive option in the state of when a -- state of maine. it has not been able to meet its goals. it has not been able to insure as many people as originally protected. it is an experience we have to consider as we move forward in examining the public option approach that has been proposed by so many here in congress. >> the experiment in health care in maine has the government component and it has been met with dire fiscal reality. premiums continue to rise and enrollment has been capped. perhaps the leaders in washington might want to consider those results before signing such a plan into law.

>> for a state of 1.3 million people, having a bigger plan is bad enough. if you are replicating it for 300 million people across the country, that is a disaster. sean: coming up, the president made promises about what a health care overhaul will mean. do his claims stack up against evidence? .

sean: a government health-care takeover could drastically change the way you and your family get health care. there are a lot of claims about what this overhaul will bring you, but are they true? our first recurring nightmare on this list. what will president obama's health-care reform cost you? >> here is what it will mean for the average american. it will mean lower costs, more

choices, and coverage you can count on. it will save you and your family money. sean: but will it really? one man says americans should be ready for health costs to skyrocket. >> there is nothing in the house or senate bills that will enable americans to have the kind of cost control that the president is promising. if you look at the house bill, which is a $1.30 trillion bill, there is going to be a very significant increase in health- care spending and costs. in the senate bill, the one that has just been released by the senate finance committee, you are going to have new taxes on health insurance. you will have taxes on drugs and medical devices, so no matter how you look at this, health- care costs for the individual and the country as a whole are going to increase. sean: another thing people are

worried about is if people will be able to keep their current plans. >> they are wondering what reform will mean to them, so let me be clear. if you like your doctor or health-care provider, you can keep them. sean: but that may not be a promise the president can keep. there was an response -- a response given by a cardiovascular surgeon with over 20 years of experience after the president's speech in september. >> the facts of the matter are, if you look at the bills working their way through the house and the senate, that is not the case. millions of people could be pushed off of private insurance into a government option based on the numbers in the house bill, and in the senate bill, what it does is raise taxes on

families and small businesses significantly, number one. secondly, it is also going to raise the cost of premiums for everyone significantly, and that could make insurance more out of reach. sean: aa third nightmare scenario. >> this will eliminate waste and fraud as well as on wanted subsidies that go to insurance companies -- as well as unwanted coins subsidies. sean-- unwanted subsidies. >> what they will see his doctor is consolidating into practices, and there is a lot of language -- what they will see is doctors consolidating, doctors becoming salaried employees of

large networks. they will determine what people can and cannot get access to. medicare is getting new authority, new resources to make decisions, so the same way private insurers look over what doctors and others do when it comes to treating a patient, the medicare program is adopting many of those, and the final thing is you will see doctors have a strong financial incentive to start restraining the costs they incur in treating their patients, so the kinds of treatments they adopt, the kinds of prescriptions they adopt, they will be on the hook for some of that. sean: our fourth nightmare, the creation of a public option. >> this would just be an option. nobody would be forced to choose.

but what it would do is offer americans more choices and promote real competition, put pressure on private insurers to make their policies more affordable, treat their customers better. sean: but what a government option really mean more choices? a man with many years of experience in the medical industry -- >> you end up with a situation where insurance companies go away, and you only have one situation with socialized medicine providing health care and negotiating. and that is the system the u.k. has, which we find very deficient. it is the same system they have in canada. ultimately, it is very costly. sean: and finally, what about

the quality of care you and your family will receive? >> for all of the shouting and all of the noise, what you need to know is if you do not have health insurance, you will finally have quality, affordable options once we pass health-care reform. we will make sure no government bureaucrat gets between you and the care that you need. sean: maybe he is right. we all know how efficient the post office and the dmv are. a conservative counterpart to the a r p. one man suggests seniors and baby boomers may be the most affected -- a conservative counterpart to the aarp. >> long airlines to get your mri's